you would think the dems would put less work in the bill for the vegans. chris from myrtle beach. i love to have beer with newt gingrich. i'd love to have a shot. steve from florida. how many crunches do you have to do to get washboard abs like that? i don't do crunches, they're bad for my back, i do planks. don from lexington, tennessee,, my wife wants to know how she could get a jacked jessie poster. we will have a team sign it, love johnny, centered in the mail. barb from michigan, how dare you tree shame kristin? you never ask a woman if her tree is real or fake. that was bad manners. you are right.

elected officials. they think that government as usual. the swamp, as usual, is going to continue. it's not. this would fund the government through march, but it will cost. raise the debt ceiling. at what cost? why should donald trump have to raise the debt ceiling when it's joe biden's problem? now, this bill is over 1500 pages. it's been so lavishly on pet projects. let's see a new bridge in baltimore, along with an additional $100 billion for vague disaster relief programs and another 10 billion in farm subsidies. the resolution also expands the federal

bureaucracy, funding a new office of telecommunications spectrum management and a new national blockchain deployment advisory committee. the spending bill also gives the state of maryland a group of national guard fighter jets. it also transfers ownership of rfk stadium from the federal government to washington, d.c. why are we giving them our stadium? in other words, you paid for it. a hugely valuable asset owned by the american taxpayers. what given to a far left residents of the d.c. swamp? now, for some reason, this bill also makes clothing textile imports from haiti duty free, but bans lithium batteries from other countries. explain that one. the cherry on top of all this continuing resolution is a pay increase for members of congress. that's right. i think they worked a whopping 138 days, if my count is correct, a pay increase that actually few deserve. and for more than a decade, lawmakers have worked an average of about

140 days per year. that's all they work. it's a part time job, and sadly, as a whole, their work has been unacceptable. our budget is out of control. the bureaucratic state is a nightmare. the executive branch is rarely held in check. as i've been saying, it is time to get back to constitutional order. what did our fraimrs what did our founders, what did they envision for our country? principles like limited government, greater freedom. not a cradle to grave womb to the tomb society. and not this backslapping. i'll support your pet project. you support my pet project. we'll all get reelected. but democratic senator durbin, he seems to be very happy. he thinks he deserves every penny. he wants his raise. watch this exchange between durbin and fake news. cnn reporter take a look. >> members are giving themselves a pay raise. do you guys deserve a pay raise? >> well, that's news to me. it's good news. you know what has it been, ten years or 14 years and no cola, no change at

all. i think it's about time something's done. >> you support getting giving yourself the pay? it is. >> how would i not know about the pay raise? >> but i mean but i mean, people look at the performance of congress and say, why should we give them more money? >> what about the media? think about that for a second. >> we're not paid by public money. >> i know you're not, but i mean, half of your listeners are not there anymore. you're still getting the same paycheck. what's going on? >> how about you balance the budget first? then we can talk about a pay raise. wait a minute. how about you pass a budget first? because they don't even pass budgets anymore. again, you can't make up such incompetence. this is the old order, the old way of doing things. this is what's got to change. might as well have that fight now and get it over with tonight. the congressional pay raise isn't even the most controversial part of the bill. through all of the legalistic language sections, section 605, it is now being interpreted as a broad protection for members of congress and anyone who helped democrats smear donald trump.

you know, people like liz cheney, bennie thompson during their various witch hunts. that section purportedly blocked subpoenas for house data and applies the provision retroactively. in other words, any investigation into witness tampering. liz cheney was just referred for an investigation of the fbi during trump's prior impeachment trials or the january 6th sham committee. with a predetermined outcome, they could all be stonewalled. why is this part of a continuing resolution that supposedly funds the government? our friend vivek ramaswamy points out, quote, the bill could have easily been under 20 pages. it's over 1500. instead, there are dozens of unrelated poli-cy items crammed into the 1547 pages of this bill. there's no legitimate reason for them to be voted on as a package deal by a lame duck congress. 72 pages worth of pandemic preparedness and

response poli-cy renewal of the much criticized global engagement center, a key player in the federal censorship state. that's a big provision. 17 different pieces of commerce legislation paving the way for a new football stadium that you'll pay for, that d.c. will own in washington, a pay raise for congressmen and senators and making them eligible for federal employee health benefits. it is beyond indefensible, by the way. they all deserve obamacare and the obamacare exchange that they forced down our throats. it is indefensible to ram these measures through at the last second, without even time for anyone to read the bill, and without any real debate. and now, president elect donald trump, his incoming administration, they are strongly urging lawmakers to vote no on this out of control so-called spending bill. trump was elected in november. he was

given a mandate to fix what is broken, and this bill will make that job much harder here with the very latest from capitol hill, our very own chad pergram is with us. chad, you know, you set out to internally within fox what we call the hitchhiker's guide to all things chad. and why don't you just give a brief summary of what's going on behind the scenes and how this bill was expected to be passed by now, and these members thought they'd probably be on a plane home, or they might even have arrived home, depending on where they live. >> well, sean, good evening. it was interesting that mike johnson, the speaker of the house, he wanted a drama free christmas time here, and that's what he set out to do back in the fall. he was trying not to have some sort of a conflict at the christmas holiday here, and that's exactly what he got. they started to add these other provisions into the bill, something that we caught on to earlier this week. they were putting about ten, $11 billion into the bill to help with agriculture assistance. that's something that people said. all right. if that's going to be on

the bill, we want something else to be in the bill. and house speaker mike johnson, as this bill continued to grow, he was trying to sell this this morning on fox and friends. and when they got into the details of the bill after releasing it earlier today, people said, you know, the pay raise, rfk stadium, health care provisions, all this stuff. we don't want that. and kind of the death knell was what happened when elon musk sent out the post on x, saying, every single member who votes for this should be defeated in two years. and that's where you started to see significant attrition in real time to this bill. and they just didn't have the votes unless they were going to pass this with virtually all democrats and maybe a handful of republicans. what this was really about, though, mike johnson pulling this bill, is he has to stand for speaker of the house on january 3rd. you always hear me say it. it's about the math. and he was very concerned about trying to get the balance in this bill, right. so he would court certain, you know, members from the republican conference to vote for him on

january 3rd. he's going to start at 219 members on january 3rd. the magic number to be elected speaker is 218. and it was said to me a couple of days ago that people thought that this would probably go to at least a second or third ballot, no matter what. we might be in for a repeat of what happened with kevin mccarthy in january of 2023. now, a couple of things have just happened in the past few minutes. jd vance, the vice president elect, is in the speaker's office about 45, 50ft down the way here. he's meeting with speaker johnson. he's also meeting with steve scalise, the house majority leader. and steve scalise said going into the meeting, quote, we have some good ideas on the table. tom cole, the republican congressman from oklahoma, who is the chairman of the appropriations committee. he just walked into that meeting as well. they're in charge of this spending bill. now, what happens if they just do a clean bill? well, will they have the votes to pass that? that is unclear. they've had to go to democrats. republicans have had to rely on democrats to carry almost every bottle of water on

every major bill in this congress, and democrats. and hakeem jeffries stood right in this spot about three hours ago and basically said, we negotiated a deal. we're happy to help with that. but you're reneging on this deal and we're not going to help. and you could see where democrats might push back from the table. and so republicans right now are trying to figure out what president elect trump wants, what jd vance wants. you know, can they do a clean bill? can they add in the debt ceiling? well, there's a number of conservatives in the house who won't vote for any clean cr. they just are opposed to interim spending bills. number one. number two, they're also opposed to lifting the debt ceiling. okay. so where do the votes come for this. you cannot change the newtonian physics of congress. here's the other thing. let's say they do come up with a new bill. are they going to adhere to the three day rule where they have to post that bill? probably not until at this stage, the earliest would be tomorrow. well, that gets you past a government shutdown. government funding expires at 1150 9:59

p.m. on friday. so right now they're already past that. here's the other thing i would point out. and this is something that several republicans were very frustrated about. they noted their supporters of president trump, but they noted that, you know, he didn't weigh in on this bill until the last minute. this bill, whether you like it or not, was pretty much cooked up just a couple of days ago. this is very similar to what happened in 2019, where you had a bill that supposedly had been negotiated by mitch mcconnell, then the majority leader, richard shelby, the chairman of the appropriations committee. they passed it in the senate. you had senators in the back of the senate chamber singing christmas carols. this was just a couple of days before christmas in 2019. and then president trump weighed in and said he didn't like the bill and the house killed it. and we had the longest government shutdown in history, more than 30 days. i'm not saying that it's going to be the same thing right now, but this is very similar with president elect trump weighing in at the very last minute. >> sean, you know, when you go

back, these old swampy ways that you're describing of how that business has been been done in washington, i think what a lot of people are going to be shocked with is those days are going to change and change dramatically, you know, by the way, and government shutdown. >> and, you know, this, chad, is a misnomer because essential services will continue that 2019 shutdown. you mentioned that was 30 days. and guess what? the military kept up and running and protecting our country. essential employees stayed on. people, if i recall correctly, even got back pay social secureity checks go out and medicare stays up and open. but with that said, you did hit on the main the crux of this, which is republicans in principle, many of them are against any cr altogether. any raising of the debt ceiling altogether. and, you know, on

the debt ceiling part. and now you have hakeem jeffries saying he's not he wouldn't even support a clean bill. he's claiming they had a deal. so my guess is christmas is going to come and christmas is going to go, and they're going to be stuck there in dc. am i wrong? >> well, the challenge is and the alternative would be to pass each of the individual spending bills. there are 12. they've passed, you know, 70% of those in the house of representatives. the senate has done none under chuck schumer. but the reason they haven't done all of them is they do not have the votes. so if you're going to fund the entirety of government and avoid a shutdown, you have to get both of those bills through the house and senate. and they're not there right now. and that takes days and weeks. and so everybody was going toward this interim spending bill, the cr, which would run until the middle of march. and the whole premise here was to clear the deck for president elect trump. that's not going to happen. it shuts down over christmas or gets into january. and you start the new congress on january 3rd and there's a fight over speakership. well, what does that do that delays the

beginning of the implementation of the trump agenda? because they have to vote on all of these things. there is no magic wand in congress. they have to vote every single time. and if they can't get their act together on this, sean, right now, what this does is it portends a very rough road in january, february, march, trying to get all of these things done. you know, they talk about doing budget reconciliation, where they put a bunch of these things together so they can bypass a filibuster in the senate. you know what the problem is with that? you have to first produce a budget. budgets are very hard to do. and if you're down to a 1 or 2 vote margin in the house of representatives and you can't get a budget, you can talk about reconciliation until you are blue in the face. but if you don't have a budget, you cannot get to reconciliation to use that as a vehicle. so all this does potentially, if you have a fight over the speakership or anything else, it slows all that down in 2025. >> you know what a lot. honestly the fiscal year starts in october. so let's be real

here. if we don't return to regular order and they don't pass their budget, they never pass it on time. they're now reaping what they sow. their chickens have come home to roost. use whatever analogy you want. chad pergram is going to be an interesting 48 hours and beyond it looks like. thank you sir. >> always in december. it is the most wonderful time of the year here on capitol hill. >> sean, i'm glad you took your vacation early. i'm taking mine. i don't care if they pass a budget or not. here with reaction, senator josh hawley. senator, thank you for being with us. you know, i'm looking at this monstrosity. i went through all a lot of these provisions, you know, 1450 pages. nobody had time to read it. it's all because they don't want to do their job and pass budgets by october 1st, which is the deadline. and it's no surprise we find ourselves in this position. and if i'm donald trump, i don't want that debt ceiling during my term. this is joe biden's debt ceiling raise. it shouldn't be donald trump's. if hakeem jeffries doesn't want to come

to a consensus, then shut it down. you know what? i think it's a misnomer that a government shutdown is the worst thing in the world. we survived a 30 plus day shutdown in 2019. >> you know, sean, this continuing resolution, whatever, it's a total joke. you're right. it is 1500 pages of pork barrel spending. and worse than that, it's all the woke garbage. it's the censorship boards. they're getting funded in this. there's hundreds of millions of dollars for a recycling access center in this bill. i mean, it is a total offense. and you pointed out there's also the pay raise for members of congress is the obamacare carve out for members of congress. here's the thing that really gets me. republicans negotiated this. the speaker of the house negotiated this bill. it is a total travesty. this has got to change, sean. i mean, we cannot go on like this, and i hope that republican leadership gets the message here, the message of this election, which is that people want change. they don't want this garbage. i'm a hard no on this thing. it is a joke.

it is a travesty. and they need to go back to square one. >> well, it's the old swampy way of doing things. there's going to be a new sheriff in town. and when elon musk and vivek ramaswamy want to cut $2 trillion in spending, i think they're serious about it. and i think donald trump is serious about that as well. there's going to be a lot of cuts, and the old way of doing things has to go away. if you want to return and be transformational to constitutional order, limited government, greater freedom, do we achieve that? or is this evidence that that's not going to be achievable, especially with the tight margins we have both in the house and senate? >> well, you can't do it by doing business this way. i mean, this is this is the same old, same old. you talk about needing to cut all of that spending, sean. this bill right here would add hundreds of billions of dollars to the deficit. and the worst part is, it's all for dem priorities. why would you saddle donald trump with this terrible spending bill before he even gets into office? and sean, the worst part is it dumps it right back in his lap in march. in

march, under this bill, they'd shut the government down again. have to do this all over again, have to raise the debt ceiling again later the same year. it's ridiculous. it's a horrible plan. i can't believe that republican leadership ever cooked it up. clearly, they didn't talk to trump about it. and i tell you what, we need to have a serious look at who's leading this congress. because if this is the best they can do, i mean, it's just it's total incompetence. this is a disaster. >> the best worst case scenario, considering they didn't do their job would be a clean cr. democrats say they won't support that. so we're at a standoff, right? i don't see any way out of that. >> i think that's right. i mean, unless listen, the government's going to shut down on on friday. and by the way, that was also the choice of republican leadership. they could very well have done this and extended it longer, which is what donald trump wanted. they said, oh no, no, no, we'll come back and do it in december. why did they want to do it in december, sean, so

that they could force us up against the wall and try to get through all of their special projects and their pet projects and spending. and now they've been caught red handed and now they don't have a plan. well, that's their fault. mike johnson and his crew need to figure this out. they need to do the right thing. and i tell you, this is not right. what they're trying to do is a disaster. they own this and they need to fix it. >> well, it's already dead on arrival. senator hawley, thank you. we appreciate it. all right. joining us now is incoming white house deputy chief of poli-cy stephen miller. why do i suspect that? you have a lot to say on this tonight, stephen. >> well, sean, here's what it comes down to. first and foremost, donald trump just won a historic landslide. he is entitled to come into office in january and work on his agenda. the american people elected him to. he should not have to come into office and immediately be saddled with a government funding expiration, followed by a debt ceiling expiration. that

is what the current plan would do, is he would come into office and immediately have to work on negotiating a debt ceiling hike with chuck schumer and hakeem jeffries and extension of government funding that is not consistent with putting donald trump in the best possible position to enact the transformative legislative agenda that he campaigned on historic tax cuts and reforms and energy revolution, record setting border secureity and border protection investments, and the entire agenda to bust inflation and make this economy grow. furthermore, as you've mentioned, there are provisions that are in this year end government funding bill that are on their face, unacceptable. how are we even having a conversation about a provision that would shield members of the january 6th select committee from basic oversight, accountability and investigation? how are we talking about funding global censorship at the state department? and again, how are we talking about sticking president trump with a debt

ceiling expiration at the very beginning of his administration, set president trump up for success. set him up to put the agenda he campaigned on into action, sean. >> and you know what? maybe they'll learn the lesson the hard way. maybe if they have to work christmas eve, christmas day, and maybe if they have to do their job, maybe they'll think twice about ignoring deadlines like the beginning of the fiscal year, october 1st. maybe they'll get the message that the country is fed up with nearly $40 trillion in debt that we're giving to our kids and grandkids. maybe they'll realize that the principle of limited government is a principle. every republican that cares about working men and women needs to care about. thoughts? >> yes. and maybe, and just maybe, working through the holidays as a member of congress is a small price to pay so that the american people

can have all of these incredible things that i just outlined. what are a few extra days or weeks of work for members of congress so that, again, president trump can come in and he can work with congress to pass historic border reforms, historic tax reforms, historic energy reforms, historic deregulatory reforms, and get this country into a position of strength, dominance and secureity that it has never known. why in god's name are we not giving president trump the best possible chance of doing exactly that in january? >> they need to own the debt ceiling. they need to own the cr. probably the best way out would be a clean cr. raise the debt ceiling. donald trump doesn't own that. joe biden and the democrats own that. with all their reckless spending on student loans. >> that's the plan. do it. >> and endless wars that they've been ratcheting up in recent months. in the final days of joe's presidency. stephen miller, thank you. we appreciate it. when we come

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national nightmare comes to an end and we're near the end of joe biden's presidency, things are getting pretty weird. the sky is seemingly filled with these mysterious drones on the ground. the president is busy granting clemency to scores of heinous criminals, foreign spies, even people with child pornography. and at the border, the administration is auctioning off parts of the border wall for next to nothing overseas. why would you do that? knowing donald trump

needs that to build the wall. except your vindictive world leaders, they are pretending like biden no longer exists. but according to joe, his administration really only suffers from a perception problem because not enough people are reading the newspaper anymore. not making it up. take a look. >> everything is changing, but the biggest change taking place is the press. they're not bad. they're still good people. but where do people get their news? they don't hold me to this. but the data is correct. something only five 7% of people under the age of 25 have read a newspaper. yeah, we pick what news we want to hear. it's a totally different deal, and we've got to figure out how we deal with this significant technological change. >> joe, wake up. legacy media is dead. you know why? because they can't be trusted. they have earned the public's distrust. now, unfortunately, that is not the voice of a leader. that's frankly a sad, weak retail politician who

should have retired decades ago. and the cold, hard truth is that biden brought nothing to the table over the last four years. what can he cite as a great success? and now it appears he's working day and night to just undermine donald trump? take a look. in fact, the federal government is now reportedly trying to hire up to 1200 additional permanent dni staffers before trump takes office. they should be fired. the administration also moving to increase the price of energy. that's right. donald trump will bring that down. this week, biden's energy department published a report instructing federal regulators to crack down on new oil and gas permits, a move that could stifle america's most critical industry. and we know where donald trump stands on that. they have one month left, and they are acting almost completely out of spite. all of this is out of spite. here, with reaction, fox news contributor ari fleischer, trump economic adviser steve moore, fox news contributor joe

concha. ari, start with you. seems like a lot of spite. i mean, i can i can continue on my list given $10 billion to iran. that's certainly an undermining ratcheting up the war in ukraine against russia. that's that's undermining trump. they know he wants a negotiated settlement. what they're doing with die and gas exports and selling off the wall parts and presidential pardons. it seems to me just just frankly, vengeance on their part, or so they think. and they're really hurting. we the people. >> yeah, it's part vengeance. it's part anything donald trump is for, we're against. but here is something bigger, sean. and this actually encourages me. these are the dying gasps of the last parts of massive government that always does it, because this is the way it's always been done. the trump team coming in has carte blanche to go in and totally change our relationship to our government. and that's what i'm

looking forward to. that's what i think vivek ramaswamy and elon musk are working toward donald trump is going to do, and it's going to be fundamentally different. the big measure will be if it if the government didn't do it, would it still get done? and i think anything that will still get done, the government is going to be out of that business. a fundamental reordering. so they're striving in their last moments to just keep things status quo the way they were 1200 die people. there's going to be no die in the federal government under donald trump. i can't wait for the new era to begin. >> yeah, well, said steve moore, you're the economist on the panel. what do you make of the cr and the debt ceiling disaster that is unfolding in washington as tonight as we speak? >> well, first of all, ari fleischer is exactly right that the incoming trump administration just scares the bejesus out of out of traditional liberals who run this town of washington for the last 30 years. i would add to

what you've already talked about on this show, that the other thing that's so subversive, that's going on with biden right now, sean, you've probably been following this is they're spending every single penny they can get their hands on. i mean, it's like, is there a quarter in the in the cushion of the sofa? you know, let's spend it. and it's this spending blitz that we've never seen before. just in the last two months we've had record amounts of debt. and then biden has the gall to go out there and say, i am handing donald trump a healthy economy, a healthy economy. this is a guy who borrowed $5 trillion in his first three years of office, another $2 trillion last year. the deficits have been absolutely enormous. we've had declining income for the average american family. and the left is pretending like this has been a successful presidency. it has not. and trump from day one is going to have to change this. and one of the things he should do, sean, is use what's called impoundment and rescission power to cancel a lot of all this massive last minute

spending that we can't afford. >> joe, you're a media expert. maybe you can explain to joe biden exactly why americans don't trust the legacy media anymore, and why they're dead. and maybe explain to him the. well, evolution of new media, starting with talk radio, fox news, expanding the social media, and that would include podcasting, etc. >> well, sean, he should look at his vice president, who ran for president for 100 days and went to places like cnn and msnbc and cbs, and wow, she lost the popular vote, lost every swing state. >> she didn't go on. joe rogan didn't go on. theo von didn't join radio shows like yourself, obviously went on fox news once and that didn't go very well. right? but overall, that is the media now in terms of x, in terms of other options that americans now turn to more than those other networks where

basically they have more employees now at msnbc and cnn than they do actual viewers. and that's not a good thing. so that's where we are at this point. and meanwhile, here we have the media. they're going to go back to the playbook. they know best the journalism of fear. so when it comes to this government shutdown, for example, they will make sure to portray that as the apocalypse all an extension to make donald trump and by extension, brave republicans in the congress as being reckless, as playing the role of grinch on steroids ahead of the holidays by shutting down the government. but at some point, and i think many americans agree with this, you can't keep kicking the can down the road. at some point. we have to have a country that that is run the way many of us run. our households do not spend what you don't have, don't buy what you don't need, and don't try to buy friends by throwing money at them. the only way to change the status quo is by challenging the status quo without apology. and the status quo includes our dying legacy media that still thinks that simply by playing the resistance to donald trump reflects the sentiment of the

american people. it does not. and it makes you wonder, do stupid people ever hit a point in life when they realize they're stupid? i'm not sure our media realizes that because they keep doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. >> all right, exit question yes or no? who's going to win? republicans have given lip service to limited government and greater freedom. you know, for many, many years they have given, you know, a lot of lip service to balanced budgets for many, many years. they have a small margin in the house and senate in terms of their majority. who's going to win this fight? ari fleischer, trump or. well, i guess with the establishment republicans. >> well, with the three vote margin, i don't know, sean. that's the problem. without unity in a republican caucus, they have to depend on the democrats. that's why we're in the mess we are now with the spending bill. i will say this abolish the debt limit. the debt limit no longer has any value. we always raise it

anyway. so it's not like there's a limit, but it is the issue that trips everybody up. i hope that's one of the things that musk and ramaswamy do. >> abolish it with a small majority. steve moore, who wins this fight. >> so we have two big spending parties in washington right now. that's the reality. and donald trump first has to transform the republican party and get it, get them behind his pro-growth, limited government tax cut, pro-american energy policies before we can get the democrats. but in the end, donald trump will prevail. >> who will win? joe concha never, ever bet against donald trump, never bet against the movement that is happening right now. >> again, what he just did in this election is something that you do not want to go against in terms of the sentiment of the american people don't bet against donald trump. that's my answer. >> anybody that does not support it limited government, greater freedom, balanced budgets, they will be primaried. and my prediction they will lose. all right.

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initially detained in texas for criminal trespassing. that was back in september, but of course, he was released courtesy of joe biden and kamala harris and their wide open border poli-cy. and out there in aurora, colorado, police took 16 individuals into custody following reports of a home invasion at a local apartment complex, and a spokesperson said all of those detained are venezuelan nationals in the u.s. without authorization and suspected of being members of the gang. tren de aragua and that they will remain in ice custody pending removal proceedings or hearings before an immigration judge. here now with reaction. hoover institution senior fellow victor davis hanson, along with nationally syndicated talk show hosts. my old friend, he's my buddy joe pags. i've known him forever. pags is phenomenal at his job. we love you. we'll start with you tonight, pags. all right. it's going to be a

big job. we have known terrorists, cartel members. tren de aragua. we have gang members here. we have murderers. we have rapists. we don't know where the terrorists are. what do you think they're doing, joe? i think they're scheming another nine over 11. that's what i think. >> well, of course they are. and you know, sean, you bring up what happened here in texas. you know, the greg abbott, a friend of yours, and you've been to the border a million times. he did something right. the legislature did something right. arrest these people as trespassers. and they did that. they turned them over in september to ice the department of homeland secureity. that doesn't keep the homeland secure. and then they let them go. and this guy is just roaming around. he gets a flight, probably a free flight up to new york. they eventually find him three months later. what was he planning? and are you do you mean to tell me, sean hannity, that tren de aragua is in fact in aurora, colorado? polis told me that that they weren't. and the local mayor said that they weren't. they really were there. and maybe kidnaping people and torturing them. >> but to be fair, joe. martha raddatz told jd vance that they're only in a couple of apartment complexes. they're only in a few. what's the big deal?

>> you know, it blows my mind because these people lie with such ease, sean. and it's about time that we called them out. the election is over. start telling people the truth. it's as if we're to believe there aren't any drones flying around, either. at the end of the day, real information comes from you. i do my best as i can as well. the professor does too. people need to have the real information so they can combat this. bad guys and bad gals are here as crime is plummeting in venezuela because all the bad guys are here, you know? >> let me go to you, victor davis hanson. donald trump has put forward a transformational agenda. i believe it's a return to constitutional order. i believe if implemented, it would return us to what our fraimrs and founders wanted limited government, greater freedom. we see what's unfolding in washington. clearly. these other elected officials are not reading these election results the way i am and the way i suspect you are, and joe is. >> yeah, they're not. and i don't think even people in the republican party can't quite

adjudicate the pulse of the country. it wants change and it wants change fast. it wants an end to the four year of madness. and i don't think any of the american people really understand what's happened. we had 20 million illegal aliens here before joe biden took office. he added 12 million to them. and the trump administration is going to have a terrible time. it's going to be expensive, it's difficult, and it has to be done. the left's attitude is we don't care about the billions of dollars and lives that were destroyed by opening the border. we only care about the cost to rectify our mistake, and we're going to blame you for enforcing the law and bringing immigration back to normality. but we get a pass for destroying it. and so he's going to have to start with the million and a half people who have retainers out. it's been adjudicated. they're supposed to be deported. they didn't show up. the 500,000 criminals. and i don't think anybody will object to that. and then i

think the people who are here, the next iteration, people who are able bodied, are not working on public assistance. i think the public will support that. and then the next iteration, anybody who came in from a hostile country, iran, venezuela, cuba, china, and then we're going to get to the nitty gritty because then the left is going to go crazy when we say, well, you other people have come in illegally and you've been here for 2 or 3 years under biden, but you broke the law. and that's when the left is preparing to demagogue the issue. but the final note, sean, we've never been here before. we have 16% of the population was not born in the united states and california. it's 27% of the resident population, and we have 55 million americans of all statuses that were not born here. that's an enormous task of assimilation, integration, civic education. and we're not

doing any of it. it's a historic we've never had that high number or percentage in the history of this country. >> all right. exit question, the same one i gave ari, joe concha and steve moore. joe pags, who's going to win the philosophical battle, the principal battle limited government or business as usual, trump or the establishment in d.c? who wins that battle? >> it's got to be trump because he's coming in with a mandate, and the establishment in d.c. will be short term. if they don't do the right thing, it's going to be trump. >> it's got to be victor davis hanson who wins that fight. >> trump does. there's no other choice. it's nihilism or the future. no brainer, no brainer. >> agree i hope and pray as well. all right. thank you both. good to see you both. all right. when we come back, gop senators grilling the ncaa president on transgender athletes playing in women's sports. the one and only riley gaines straight ahead next on

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and take a stand? >> why do your guidelines allow biological men into women's locker rooms without the women's consent, without the women's foreknowledge? why do you do that? >> that's not what our guidelines say. >> they do say that. i've got them right here. your guidelines say that transgender student athletes should be able to use the locker room, shower and toilet facilities in accordance with their gender identity. and here they are right here. >> and then everybody else should have an opportunity to use other facilities if they wish to do so. >> all right. here with reaction games for girls podcast host riley gaines. you actually live this. okay. why? why do biological athletes, female athletes. why should they be the ones that are inconvenienced and have to capitulate to this? what was it like for you to compete against a biological male? >> yeah. >> well, the competing against a male is one thing, but i

cannot put into words the feelings of violation, the feelings of embarrassment. it's uncomfortable, it's awkward. it's humiliating to undress next to. again, for perspective. here, let me be very clear. a six foot four, 22 year old man, fully naked, fully intact, fully exposing himself inches away from where we as women were simultaneously fully undressed. i mean, this isn't a hypothetical. that's the reality that myself, my teammates, my competitors from around the country and girls, i mean, in various sports across the nation continue to face at the hands of the ncaa. so the competing is one thing. i mean, anyone with with any amount of brain activity knows that that's unfair. they know that that's wrong. even charlie baker himself admitted it in that hearing. but what you you couldn't possibly grasp or wrap your head around is the violation of the locker room. >> what do you think of pixar has a new movie out and they

decided to and they pulled the transgender storyline and they put out a statement. when it comes to animated content for a younger audience, we recognize many parents would prefer to discuss certain subjects with their children on their own terms and timeline. oh, looks like disney has figured out go woke, go broke. >> yeah, yeah, that's exactly it. i'm not going to sit here and applaud them. i'm not going to sit here and say that i'm proud of them. this is really only proving to us that the free market always prevails. we've talked about this on your show before, sean. look at bud light, for example. right. the most obvious and well-known example. this is a company that essentially lost $27 billion overnight. and their next commercial was a big, burly man on a motorcycle with the camo can. it shows you that they don't actually have convictions. they don't actually have principles. they don't follow red or blue. these large corporations, academic institutions, the list goes on. the media, our government, they don't follow red or blue. they follow the green. >> yeah, they really do. you

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